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Help us build the NAZI MOON BASE

Postby Timo Vuorensola » Fri Oct 26, 2007 16:47

Dear Wreckers & Iron Sky people, we need your help!

One of the biggest challenges in the production of the Iron Sky demo has been creating the Nazi Moonbase. Although we've had some pretty wonderful submissions by great artists from all over the world, we also want you ideas.

The Nazi Moon Base itself is pretty much ready (although texturing and detailing are still work in progress), but we need you to help us with designing the surrounding of the base. Everything from a few-line idea description to a full 3D model are appreciated!

This task is open until 30.11.2007.

DESCRIPTION OF THE TASK
Design elements for the environment surrounding the Nazi Moon Base. Submit your ideas and textual descriptions to this forum; pictures can be submitted either here or directly to us via email.

TASK REFERENCE
The Schwartze Sonne, the secret Nazi stronghold located on the Far Side of the Moon, is a huge complex built to house thousands of Nazis and their war machinery. The central structure is the fortress built in the shape of a swastika. Surrounding the main construction, many smaller elements have been built to support the everyday lives of the Nazis and the preparation of their return to the Earth.

The technology is pretty much 40's style, since technologically the Nazis have not been developing much since they came to the Moon. But they've had plenty of time to build big, strong elements, tools, vehicles and weapons. You may think of this as a crude steampunkish world, but please keep a touch of realism to your designs.

The fortress is located in a shadowy crater, about 2 kilometres across, and the main building is about 1.2 kilometres in diameter, making it about twice the size of the Pentagon. Around it can be pretty much anything, from barracks and construction platforms to whatever you can come up with - you have the freedom to invent anything there, use your imagination.

SUBMITTING IDEAS / PICTURES / 3D MODELS
We accept anything from short idea descriptions to detailed documentations, from raw, hand-drawn sketches to detailed 3D models.

We accept the most common 3D model formats. Please note, the final resolution of the demo will be 1920x817 so detail level must be quite high.

Material can be posted to this forum by replying to this thread, or by sending them to our email address at info@ironsky.net.

Ultimately, we make the decision on what elements we use in the demo.

COPYRIGHTS & CONTACTING
All the rights to the material submitted must be in the possession of the contributor. The contributor must allow the worldwide, royalty free commercial use of the material in the production of the film "Iron Sky", and other material related to it (mainly: the demo and promotional material).

REFERENCE MATERIAL
Here you can find some reference material to help you understand the scale and form of the surrounding area and the fortress. You may download these and start working on them, or just use them as a reference - whatever suits your methods best.


Nazi Moon Base overview: This is a draft render of the scene. The camera angle & picture framing quite close to final.

Pentagon embed: To understand the scale of the fortress, here's a quick mockup of surroundings of Pentagon.

Other images for reference can be found at:

http://www.ironsky.net/gallery.php


WHY TO DO THIS?
We like to believe that the community can be an active producer of quality content, and would like to use this as a test platform for the idea itself. Your help will be crucial and your participation highly appreciated!

If you produce something that can be utilised, your name will be mentioned, of course, in the thanks. If you produce art that can be used to create a 3D model, you'll be credited as a 'preproduction artist'. If you produce a model fully usable in this process, you'll get the title of 'modeller'. And naturally, you still hold the moral rights to the material, just as long as you grant us the rights to use it in Iron Sky.

Get creative!

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Postby Crusader » Fri Oct 26, 2007 17:50

How about if the barracks would be dug to the walls of the crater? Windows or perhaps balconies at the crater walls?
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Postby anon. » Fri Oct 26, 2007 18:56

How about gun turrets on the edge of the crater in case of unlikely invasion (in war everything is thought always when not if). Maybe different type of AA guns from 20mm to 88mm in hided bunkers.

And mostly everything else except fortress could be deep undergroung so on the surface there would be just big hatches (for battle fleet) and some smaller constructions and exits for surface/short range vehicles.

All material can´t be used so surely big amounts of rocks would have been brought to the surface.
And since there´s ice on the moon surely nazis would have used such resource. They didn´t knew when they came 45 but maybe they found some during construction or on surveillance missions. There might be open mine on the small sector of the crater´s side. Deep in the shadows of the walls so sun can´t meld ice. With big machines cutting giant ice blocks and then moving them to the top of the assembly line which would leed to underground factory.

Some ventilation shafts letting out CO, extra heat and other useless gases wich can´t be used with 40s technology.

Crusader wrote: Windows or perhaps balconies at the crater walls?



Nice idea!

Living for decades inside without change to get or atleast see outside could be too much even for fanatic nazis.
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Re: Help us build the NAZI MOON BASE

Postby jengelh » Fri Oct 26, 2007 19:23

Timo Vuorensola wrote:Dear Wreckers & Iron Sky people, we need your help!

That e-mail subject looked almost like spam 8O - try something softer next time.
The Schwartze Sonne,

Schwarze Sonne.
But they've had plenty of time to build big, strong elements[...] the main building is about 1.2 kilometres in diameter
Nazi Moon Base overview: This is a draft render of the scene. The camera angle & picture framing quite close to final.

That looks pretty much like Albert Speer's Halle des Volkes/Ruhmeshalle (and even size of the dome seems to match :-) ) plus Coronado's military buildings.
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Re: Help us build the NAZI MOON BASE

Postby WebMistress » Fri Oct 26, 2007 19:28

Well, I'd assume that in order to build their huge machinery, they will need resources. So they must have some mining facilities somewhere, and refineries where the ore is processesed. And of course, some factories huge enough to contain the huge machinery.

Where they should be... well, seeing that they are using technology from the 40's, I assume they would indeed construct plenty underground to save on the costruction of 'expensive' structures with the necessary radiation shieldings and environment support (in the term of resources - I really wonder if they would have currency seen they are a military base. Maybe they simply work for a common goal and just get what needed... in a kinda communist fashion???)

But then again, what if the machines are just TOO huge to be stored altogether underground?

Then they could be in some hangars above the surface, somehow camouflaged and of course also well-guarded by gun turrrets in case of enemy attack since being sooo big, they'd make a quite easy target for the enemy! ;)

Even the turrets themselves could be coming out of hatches from the ground and be built on underground rails so that they can be moved around the perimeter of the base in case of need....

Just my two cents. I don't have time to make any sketches right now but a month is long, so I may actually get to it. :)
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Postby Timo Vuorensola » Fri Oct 26, 2007 19:29

Crusader: How about if the barracks would be dug to the walls of the crater? Windows or perhaps balconies at the crater walls?


This is actually pretty nice idea! If there's somebody with a good drawing skills, it'd be wonderful to see a closeup of this kind of an idea!
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Postby Timo Vuorensola » Fri Oct 26, 2007 19:33

Anon: How about gun turrets on the edge of the crater in case of unlikely invasion (in war everything is thought always when not if). Maybe different type of AA guns from 20mm to 88mm in hided bunkers.


Yes, guns are always good! And Nazis need guns!

And mostly everything else except fortress could be deep undergroung so on the surface there would be just big hatches (for battle fleet) and some smaller constructions and exits for surface/short range vehicles.


Very good thinking indeed! Hatches!

All material can´t be used so surely big amounts of rocks would have been brought to the service.


What do you mean by 'brought to service'?

And since there´s ice on the moon surely nazis would have used such resource. They didn´t knew when they came 45 but maybe they found some during construction or on surveillance missions. There might be open mine on the small sector of the crater´s side. Deep in the shadows of the walls so sun can´t meld ice. With big machines cutting giant ice blocks and then moving them to the top of the assembly line which would leed to underground factory.


I like this idea. We've been thinking to set up a mine there indeed. Maybe somebody could go on further describing the mine?
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Postby Timo Vuorensola » Fri Oct 26, 2007 19:34

Jengelh: That looks pretty much like Albert Speer's Halle des Volkes/Ruhmeshalle (and even size of the dome seems to match Smile ) plus Coronado's military buildings.


Good to see you noticed!

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Postby anon. » Fri Oct 26, 2007 19:36

Timo Vuorensola wrote:What do you mean by 'brought to service'?


Sorry. No it´s correct.

Timo Vuorensola wrote:describing the mine?


I got in my mind something like this http://www.clas.wayne.edu/multimedia/us ... %20Pit.jpg
and ice can´t be totally pure so it would have lot of rocks, dust and so on in it. More reason to take it to refinening plant. But having too big concentrations of impurities could make it probably easier having underground mines.

WebMistress wrote:But then again, what if the machines are just TOO huge to be stored altogether underground?


And big machines are made from big parts so there could be also final assembly hangars putting together all huge parts.
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Postby Timo Vuorensola » Fri Oct 26, 2007 19:40

Well, I'd assume that in order to build their huge machinery, they will need resources. So they must have some mining facilities somewhere, and refineries where the ore is processesed. And of course, some factories huge enough to contain the huge machinery.

Where they should be... well, seeing that they are using technology from the 40's, I assume they would indeed construct plenty underground to save on the costruction of 'expensive' structures with the necessary radiation shieldings and environment support (in the term of resources - I really wonder if they would have currency seen they are a military base. Maybe they simply work for a common goal and just get what needed... in a kinda communist fashion???)


Yes, mines again, a very good idea. And underground indeed. Although the on-surface structure is massive, the moonbase is much bigger underground, since it's safer build there.

But then again, what if the machines are just TOO huge to be stored altogether underground?

Then they could be in some hangars above the surface, somehow camouflaged and of course also well-guarded by gun turrrets in case of enemy attack since being sooo big, they'd make a quite easy target for the enemy! Wink

Even the turrets themselves could be coming out of hatches from the ground and be built on underground rails so that they can be moved around the perimeter of the base in case of need....


Huge machine hangars, this is good!

Just my two cents. I don't have time to make any sketches right now but a month is long, so I may actually get to it. Smile


Yeah, that would be good! If you ever have time, it'd be wonderful!
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Re: Help us build the NAZI MOON BASE

Postby Jarmo Puskala » Fri Oct 26, 2007 20:37

jengelh wrote:
Timo Vuorensola wrote:Dear Wreckers & Iron Sky people, we need your help!

That e-mail subject looked almost like spam 8O - try something softer next time.


Sorry, I just couldn't resist the temptation... Where else would it be part of ones job to send out emails with the topic "Help us build the nazi moonbase" :twisted:
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Postby Crusader » Fri Oct 26, 2007 20:46

anon. wrote:
I got in my mind something like this http://www.clas.wayne.edu/multimedia/us ... %20Pit.jpg


How about a cross-over between that and Naquadah-mines from Stargate SG1? I couldn't find any images from Naquadah-mines, but they're pretty much half craters, or crater walls.. I'll look for the image later, when I have time...

About that window-/balcony-idea, they could be just tall towers of black windows, like some tall buldings stairwells have nowdays. On sides of those towers, there could be single windows or balconies at the places of big rooms or officers apartments. Maybe those balconies would have AA-guns? Also there have to be bunkers on the walls.
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Postby Kedu » Fri Oct 26, 2007 20:46

The reason why the installation was builted tells what does it look like.

Was the base builted so that the National Socialism would survive and be
restored when the time is right?

Or was it builted so that the nazis could attack Earth from there?

Or take over Earth and convert the population into Nazism?

The Dev. team won´t probably tell these things because it might reveal parts of the storyline but I wanted to bring up my point of view.
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Postby Timo Vuorensola » Fri Oct 26, 2007 21:01

Crusader wrote:
How about a cross-over between that and Naquadah-mines from Stargate SG1? I couldn't find any images from Naquadah-mines, but they're pretty much half craters, or crater walls.. I'll look for the image later, when I have time...


Please do!

About that window-/balcony-idea, they could be just tall towers of black windows, like some tall buldings stairwells have nowdays. On sides of those towers, there could be single windows or balconies at the places of big rooms or officers apartments. Maybe those balconies would have AA-guns? Also there have to be bunkers on the walls.


I think this sounds pretty original indeed, I'm yet to catch a very clear view on this... If you, or somebody, has the possibility, maybe you could draw me just a simple sketch so I'd get a good picture on what you mean. Anyhow, I still like the idea much!

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Postby Timo Vuorensola » Fri Oct 26, 2007 21:09

Kedu wrote:
The reason why the installation was builted tells what does it look like.

Was the base builted so that the National Socialism would survive and be
restored when the time is right?

Or was it builted so that the nazis could attack Earth from there?

Or take over Earth and convert the population into Nazism?

The Dev. team won´t probably tell these things because it might reveal parts of the storyline but I wanted to bring up my point of view.


These are very good questions, and there's no actual reason why not to answer them, since they are not in too close relations with the story of Iron Sky itself, which we will keep very strictly hidden, so collaborating won't spoil you, fear not :)

Schwartze Sonne is a hideout for Nazis, a secret fortress where they can restore their strength and return back to earth once the time is right. So it's a combination of a military base, as well as a living complex for several generations of space nazis - therefor, it can't only be made for building the war machine, but must also have a hint of humanity here and there - you know, people - even nazis - need food, water and maybe even some recreational activities, as long as they are good for the Aryan spirit.

Schwartze Sonne is by far not meant to be the next 'Earth' colonized by Nazis, but a stronghold where to build a fleet and come back to Earth to claim back what's legally theirs. At least in their minds.
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